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		<title>Comment on Association of James Braid Courses by members</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2012/02/association-of-james-braid-courses/#comment-90</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it appropriate that a course with one hole only (the 17th) overseen by James Braid Junior apply for admission to the Association of James Braid Courses?
James Braid Junior was a member of Ringway in the 20s/30s and won the Cheshire Championship in 1929. By profession he was associated as a marketing man with a well known scotch company and lived in the house just above the 5th green. It is most unlikely he was involved in any other golf course architectural work.
The following  information has been copied from the CUBBZ website:-
&quot;Situated on Hale Mount in a mature parkland setting, the course enjoys extensive views to the North East over the City of Manchester and the Lancashire Hills beyond and South Easterly to the Derbyshire Peak District.
 Originally designed in 1909 by Harry Colt, perhaps the finest course architect of his day, and further developed by James Braid Junior, Ringway is always demanding but never penalising.  The course today measures 6,482 yards and is in Cheshire’s top echelon.&quot;

Richard Ball</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it appropriate that a course with one hole only (the 17th) overseen by James Braid Junior apply for admission to the Association of James Braid Courses?<br />
James Braid Junior was a member of Ringway in the 20s/30s and won the Cheshire Championship in 1929. By profession he was associated as a marketing man with a well known scotch company and lived in the house just above the 5th green. It is most unlikely he was involved in any other golf course architectural work.<br />
The following  information has been copied from the CUBBZ website:-<br />
&#8220;Situated on Hale Mount in a mature parkland setting, the course enjoys extensive views to the North East over the City of Manchester and the Lancashire Hills beyond and South Easterly to the Derbyshire Peak District.<br />
 Originally designed in 1909 by Harry Colt, perhaps the finest course architect of his day, and further developed by James Braid Junior, Ringway is always demanding but never penalising.  The course today measures 6,482 yards and is in Cheshire’s top echelon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Richard Ball</p>
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		<title>Comment on Youths on the Golf Course by members</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2012/01/youths-on-the-golf-course/#comment-88</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re youths on the golf course/
this happened on occasions when i lived in rydal drive and i was confronted by them on some of those occasions. one simple tip. your mobile can take photographs. i did do so on those occasions and passed the photos to the relevant people. i wont say the problem went away but it certainly reduced the number of &quot;intruders&quot;
Dave Curtis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re youths on the golf course/<br />
this happened on occasions when i lived in rydal drive and i was confronted by them on some of those occasions. one simple tip. your mobile can take photographs. i did do so on those occasions and passed the photos to the relevant people. i wont say the problem went away but it certainly reduced the number of &#8220;intruders&#8221;<br />
Dave Curtis</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Course Development Plan 2011/2012 by admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COURSE COMMITTTEE PROCEDURE FOR RESPONDING TO MEMBERS COMMENTS
The course committee receive a great variety of comments about the work on the course via the web site, by e-mail, by letter or verbally. We welcome these comments and please be assured that they are discussed at the monthly course committee meetings and are taken into consideration when planning improvements and carrying out maintenance. Receipt of the comment will be acknowledged initially and a fuller reply to the member if necessary will be prepared after the monthly meeting.

Course Committee.
15/02/12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COURSE COMMITTTEE PROCEDURE FOR RESPONDING TO MEMBERS COMMENTS<br />
The course committee receive a great variety of comments about the work on the course via the web site, by e-mail, by letter or verbally. We welcome these comments and please be assured that they are discussed at the monthly course committee meetings and are taken into consideration when planning improvements and carrying out maintenance. Receipt of the comment will be acknowledged initially and a fuller reply to the member if necessary will be prepared after the monthly meeting.</p>
<p>Course Committee.<br />
15/02/12</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Fairway/Tee Protection by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2011/10/winter-fairwaytee-protection/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jeremey 
Your comments have also been noted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jeremey<br />
Your comments have also been noted</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Fairway/Tee Protection by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2011/10/winter-fairwaytee-protection/#comment-84</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel
Your comments are noted and will be discussed at the next course committee meeting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel<br />
Your comments are noted and will be discussed at the next course committee meeting</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Course Development Plan 2011/2012 by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2011/09/winter-course-development-plan-20112012-2/#comment-83</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel

The course committee thank you for your interest in the Winter Course Improvement Plan.  
Please bear in mind that this is still a work in progress and will be continually reviewed during the year when the new developments come into play. 
We are following the plan put in place by the architect, Ken Moodie, to update the challenge of the course while making it a fair and enjoyable to all members. 

We respond specifically to your comments after our meeting last night.
•	The idea of a drop zone at the back of the first is a good one and we will put this in place.
•	The idea for removing the leylandii on the 2nd is to give site of the green and we do not plan to put up more netting. The fairway has been extended on the left.
•	Greenside bunker on the 2nd has been looked at by other members and has not currently been considered a problem.
•	Bunkers on the 3rd. We have already agreed that the new bunker requires alteration. The greenside bunkers are still being worked on.
•	Planting along the fence on the 4th. We will plant more trees in the out of bounds area but cannot plant too close to the netting (to retain access for maintenance). There are no plans to plant at the netting on the 5th. Hopefully this netting will satisfy the new home owner but members still will have to be very careful when teeing from the 5th. The netting is not the perfect solution!
•	The new bunkers on the 7th and the 10th will be reviewed.
•	The short game area is being reviewed and is on the agenda for the Development Committee. Now that more teaching takes place at Ash Lane is hoped to make the area a better short game area for members. It does require draining first.
•	We have asked The Course Manager to look at shortening the carry on certain holes to make the tee shot fairer for all members.

Course Committee
15/02/12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel</p>
<p>The course committee thank you for your interest in the Winter Course Improvement Plan.<br />
Please bear in mind that this is still a work in progress and will be continually reviewed during the year when the new developments come into play.<br />
We are following the plan put in place by the architect, Ken Moodie, to update the challenge of the course while making it a fair and enjoyable to all members. </p>
<p>We respond specifically to your comments after our meeting last night.<br />
•	The idea of a drop zone at the back of the first is a good one and we will put this in place.<br />
•	The idea for removing the leylandii on the 2nd is to give site of the green and we do not plan to put up more netting. The fairway has been extended on the left.<br />
•	Greenside bunker on the 2nd has been looked at by other members and has not currently been considered a problem.<br />
•	Bunkers on the 3rd. We have already agreed that the new bunker requires alteration. The greenside bunkers are still being worked on.<br />
•	Planting along the fence on the 4th. We will plant more trees in the out of bounds area but cannot plant too close to the netting (to retain access for maintenance). There are no plans to plant at the netting on the 5th. Hopefully this netting will satisfy the new home owner but members still will have to be very careful when teeing from the 5th. The netting is not the perfect solution!<br />
•	The new bunkers on the 7th and the 10th will be reviewed.<br />
•	The short game area is being reviewed and is on the agenda for the Development Committee. Now that more teaching takes place at Ash Lane is hoped to make the area a better short game area for members. It does require draining first.<br />
•	We have asked The Course Manager to look at shortening the carry on certain holes to make the tee shot fairer for all members.</p>
<p>Course Committee<br />
15/02/12</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Fairway/Tee Protection by members</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2011/10/winter-fairwaytee-protection/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>members</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pete,

I agree 100% with Nigel&#039;s comments and would also add that when they become heavily trafficked throughout a competition day they become slippy and dangerous.

Cheers

Jeremey Plastow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pete,</p>
<p>I agree 100% with Nigel&#8217;s comments and would also add that when they become heavily trafficked throughout a competition day they become slippy and dangerous.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Jeremey Plastow</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Fairway/Tee Protection by members</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2011/10/winter-fairwaytee-protection/#comment-80</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete

The counter argument is that “driving range style” mats concentrate traffic in specific areas and the result is concentrated wear in the immediate vicinity of the mat. Most of our winter tee boxes are defined by tee markers no more than 8 feet apart again concentrating wear in a very small area. You can see quite clearly where the tee boxes have been week by week on many tees.

On that basis not using driving range style mats and placing the tee markers the whole width of the tee apart, giving players more options, spreads the wear more evenly and does not produce concentrated areas of wear. Given such a choice you will generally find that half the field favours the left half of the tee box and half the field favours the right half of the tee box therefore spreading not concentrating wear during play of the ball. Natural faders of the ball will generally use the opposite side of the tee box to natural drawers of the ball.

Obviously when using driving range style mats the entire field beats a path to the exact same spot where, by definition, the mat has been placed because the surface is susceptible to damage? Placing tee markers the whole width (within reason) of the tee apart means we all approach the job from different angles and we are using portable mats to prevent the taking of divots anyway.

In general the worst areas, and therefore the most susceptible to damage, are those getting to the tee, not the tee itself. Thankfully even those areas are now few and far between thanks to the fantastic work that Jim Grainger has done over the years draining what used to be low grade farmland and is now a very good golf course that has the potential to move to the next level. Jim’s endeavours in the past now allows us to leave the “driving range style mat” mentality way behind, everything about RGC should say quality………….not driving range.

Without Jim and his team’s hard work we would not be able to have the discussion, we would all be playing in wellies so many thanks to him/them. 

Nigel Reed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete</p>
<p>The counter argument is that “driving range style” mats concentrate traffic in specific areas and the result is concentrated wear in the immediate vicinity of the mat. Most of our winter tee boxes are defined by tee markers no more than 8 feet apart again concentrating wear in a very small area. You can see quite clearly where the tee boxes have been week by week on many tees.</p>
<p>On that basis not using driving range style mats and placing the tee markers the whole width of the tee apart, giving players more options, spreads the wear more evenly and does not produce concentrated areas of wear. Given such a choice you will generally find that half the field favours the left half of the tee box and half the field favours the right half of the tee box therefore spreading not concentrating wear during play of the ball. Natural faders of the ball will generally use the opposite side of the tee box to natural drawers of the ball.</p>
<p>Obviously when using driving range style mats the entire field beats a path to the exact same spot where, by definition, the mat has been placed because the surface is susceptible to damage? Placing tee markers the whole width (within reason) of the tee apart means we all approach the job from different angles and we are using portable mats to prevent the taking of divots anyway.</p>
<p>In general the worst areas, and therefore the most susceptible to damage, are those getting to the tee, not the tee itself. Thankfully even those areas are now few and far between thanks to the fantastic work that Jim Grainger has done over the years draining what used to be low grade farmland and is now a very good golf course that has the potential to move to the next level. Jim’s endeavours in the past now allows us to leave the “driving range style mat” mentality way behind, everything about RGC should say quality………….not driving range.</p>
<p>Without Jim and his team’s hard work we would not be able to have the discussion, we would all be playing in wellies so many thanks to him/them. </p>
<p>Nigel Reed</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Fairway/Tee Protection by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2011/10/winter-fairwaytee-protection/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy just to clarify the situation regarding the large mats on the mens winter tees
1. The large mats are to protect tees from damage caused by feet rather than through &#039;ball striking&#039;
2. Where the tee being used for winter golf is positioned on a permanent &#039;summer&#039; tee, large mats are used to protect from damage from foot traffic - these mats are regularly moved to further protect the tee.
3. Where the Tee being used. is a &#039;winter tee&#039; such as the 16th hole then, there is therefore no requirement for a &#039;large mat&#039; and the small mats are sufficient
4.&#039;Large mats&#039; may alo be used where there is deemed to be a health and safety issue i.e slippy surfaces/wet surfaces
I trust that this answers your query and apologise for not corresponding earlier
Pete Jackson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy just to clarify the situation regarding the large mats on the mens winter tees<br />
1. The large mats are to protect tees from damage caused by feet rather than through &#8216;ball striking&#8217;<br />
2. Where the tee being used for winter golf is positioned on a permanent &#8216;summer&#8217; tee, large mats are used to protect from damage from foot traffic &#8211; these mats are regularly moved to further protect the tee.<br />
3. Where the Tee being used. is a &#8216;winter tee&#8217; such as the 16th hole then, there is therefore no requirement for a &#8216;large mat&#8217; and the small mats are sufficient<br />
4.&#8217;Large mats&#8217; may alo be used where there is deemed to be a health and safety issue i.e slippy surfaces/wet surfaces<br />
I trust that this answers your query and apologise for not corresponding earlier<br />
Pete Jackson</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Fairway/Tee Protection by members</title>
		<link>http://www.ringwaygolfclub.co.uk/2011/10/winter-fairwaytee-protection/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>members</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we are all lugging mats around the course with us, why on earth would we want such eyesores anywhere? 

Tripe.

Nigel Reed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we are all lugging mats around the course with us, why on earth would we want such eyesores anywhere? </p>
<p>Tripe.</p>
<p>Nigel Reed</p>
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